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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Strategic shift to Windows for Ker.??
Message-Id: <1995Jun24.094442.54615@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 24 Jun 95 09:44:42 MDT
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In article <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes:
> Dear Kermit World,
>
> I'm raising this issue because of my University's actions. We
> are dropping Kermit in favor of a "Windows compliant" competitor
> that they have to PAY a site license for. (altho it's a good
> rate). I think that the time has come to embark on the next
> generation Kermit that will be win3.1, win95, and maybe even X
> compliant? I have a mail on the vms groups about some suite of
> interfaces that enable the same menus to be used across all of
> these...
Clearly we have plans for Win Kermit too, but as explained
time after time, such projects take personnel, money, time. Here
we have the cynicism of many Universities: they want free things,
if they are not statisfied they are willing to pay market rates
for commercial products but nary a dime for supporting another Univ
(or even their own) to continue improving what they now have and know.
Why? Probably because it's administratively easier to sign a PO rather
than write a letter agreement, not because it is intellectually better.
Guess who gives (or not) the technical context for such decisions?
> I'd hate to see the demise of the most stable dog-gone emulator
> just to lose it to the "Mouseaholics". Kermit is my bread and
> butter emulator...
>
> The mouseaholics complain they can't cut-and-paste from dos
> kermit, of the fact that it's not windows based, etc, etc, etc
> til I'm sick of hearing it.
They can cut and paste. It'a a Windows "feature." Etc may
mean it does not entertain them the way some programs do. At some
point the people in this country are going to realize that computers
at work are not entertainment devices and the continued trend to
treat them as such is extremely expensive. You see, each of us has
at least one hobby horse.
Those same complainers may well grumble that they can't do
a number of things with the commercial product you've purchased, and
there will be very little that can be done about it.
> I use others for the DEC graphics, but keep returning to Kermit
> for the daily grind.
>
> However, I feel that within a few years, Kermit will be left
> behind except for us die-hards and all the other non-pc and
> non-mac systems...
Such optimism is clearly going to assist us as we continue
to improve Columbia Kermit offerings. Perhaps your brain too is
addled by the trade press; I know mine is totally boggled by vapors
and floods of printed emotion passing as established fact. We may
apply your phrase "within a few years X will be left behind" to EVERY
product now on the market; do you see the intellectual vacuum of such
statements?
Joe D.